From rob at robburns.com Sun Sep 13 22:34:53 2009 From: rob at robburns.com (Robert J Burns) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 00:34:53 -0500 Subject: [html4all] a 'who' element Message-ID: <4B0EE60A-3F97-4373-8146-E5ACFADCA9E5@robburns.com> Hi Leif, I saw your thread about the 'cite' and 'who' elements[1]. I particularly like the 'who' suggestion. In crafting HTML 4.1 I was working to disentangle citation (of a work) from attribution (to an person or other entity). However the terms attribution and attribute are too overloaded in English. I think a 'who' element would fit the bill nicely. I also had suggested a 'pn' element for proper nouns or personal nouns. Another important thing to consider in your suggestion is that we have attributes as well as elements. And I think the 'cite' attribute has got to be universalized (and maybe a universal 'who' attribute too). In this way a 'cite' attribute can be added to any element and the element and all its descendants (until overridden) are marked up as a citation of the URI referenced in the 'cite' attribute. Similarly a 'who' attribute could serve as a way to attribute ideas to a person. These are two different functions. A person may have said something (like Truman in your example), but that is not the same thing as a citation that allows a reader to track down and verify the idea or quotation. The citation may be Truman (in a private conversation) but that is still distinct from the attribution to Truman. So I think these two functions need to be disentangled, but as usual the Ian Hickson approach is simply to lop off a necessary function to ?simplify? things. Leaving authors to misuse and abuse other mechanisms for the fundamental functionality they need from a markup language. Take care, Rob [1]: