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From oedipus at hicom.net Thu Nov 1 07:15:49 2007 From: oedipus at hicom.net (Gregory J. Rosmaita) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 14:15:49 +0000 Subject: [html4all] On-Line Web 2.0 Accessibility Course using the W3C emerging ARIA Specifications Message-ID: <20071101141211.M68928@hicom.net> ---- FORWARDED EMESSAGE ----- From: Jon Gunderson Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 09:08:42 -0500 (CDT) Subj: On-Line Web 2.0 Accessibility Course using the W3C emerging ARIA Specifications I am going to be teaching an on-line course on Web 2.0 accessibility issues to try to raise more awareness of Web 2.0 accessibility issues and how the ARIA specifications are supporting accessibility of Web 2.0 interface technologies. I would appreciate it if you know of people who would be interested in taking this course to pass this information on to them. Thanks, Jon On-Line Web 2.0 Accessibility Course using the emerging W3C ARIA Specifications More information http://www.cita.uiuc.edu/courses/web20online/ Dates and Time * Dates: November 26th to December 19th, 2007 * Days: Monday and Wednesdays * Time: 3:00pm - 4:00pm CST (Chicago Local Time) Overview The on-line course is designed for web developers creating Web 2.0 applications to learn about the accessibility of these technologies to people with disabilities. Participants will learn about keyboard support, focus management issues and how to use the emerging W3C Accessible Rich Internet Applications (ARIA) specifications to create accessible Web 2.0 applications. Participants will learn about the accessibility issues faced by people with disabilities in using the web, and how web 2.0 resources can be designed to improve accessibility using the ARIA technologies. Participants will learn about keyboard models, setting keyboard focus, the W3C Roles for ARIA and States and Properties Module for ARIA specifications for making web 2.0 widgets compatible with assistive technologies through ARIA support in Firefox browser and assistive technologies like WindowEyes and JAWS screen readers. Participants will build and test the accessible Web 2.0 widgets using a best practices model, and learn about compatibility issues related to supporting ARIA widgets with Microsoft Internet Explorer and creating valid HTML documents. Jon Gunderson, Ph.D. Coordinator of Assistive Communication and Information Technology (DRES) WWW: http://www.cita.uiuc.edu/ WWW: https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/jongund/www/ From laura.lee.carlson at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 10:29:38 2007 From: laura.lee.carlson at gmail.com (Laura Carlson) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 12:29:38 -0600 Subject: [html4all] Accessibility Design Principle Message-ID: <1c8dbcaa0711041029v3c2c4040lc2db29f7973d5a5a@mail.gmail.com> In case anyone missed it, quite a lot of progress was made on IRC [1] regarding the Accessibility Design Principle [2]. Thank you Steve and Anne and others for removing the "when possible" [3] [4] verbiage and making it a principle in its own right as well as splitting up the aspects of universality. This is a big improvement. Good collaboration too. Best Regards, Laura [1] http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/html-wg/20071102#l-112 [2] http://dev.w3.org/html5/html-design-principles/Overview.html#accessibility [3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Jul/1291.html [4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Jun/0898.html -- Laura L. Carlson From faulkner.steve at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 10:47:20 2007 From: faulkner.steve at gmail.com (Steven Faulkner) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 18:47:20 +0000 Subject: [html4all] Accessibility Design Principle In-Reply-To: <1c8dbcaa0711041029v3c2c4040lc2db29f7973d5a5a@mail.gmail.com> References: <1c8dbcaa0711041029v3c2c4040lc2db29f7973d5a5a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <55687cf80711041047x27c89c49j300e2af9b42c176a@mail.gmail.com> Hi Laura, thanks. I was not sure if i had helped in a way that other people would agree with, but i was pleased that accessibility got split out from the other aspects of universality, and that the first two sentences of "5.3. Accessibility" are quite explicit: "Design features to be accessible to users with disabilities. Access by everyone regardless of ability is essential." On 04/11/2007, Laura Carlson wrote: > In case anyone missed it, quite a lot of progress was made on IRC [1] > regarding the Accessibility Design Principle [2]. > > Thank you Steve and Anne and others for removing the "when possible" > [3] [4] verbiage and making it a principle in its own right as well as > splitting up the aspects of universality. > > This is a big improvement. Good collaboration too. > > Best Regards, > Laura > [1] http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/html-wg/20071102#l-112 > [2] http://dev.w3.org/html5/html-design-principles/Overview.html#accessibility > [3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Jul/1291.html > [4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Jun/0898.html > -- > Laura L. Carlson > > _______________________________________________ > List_HTML4all.org mailing list > http://www.html4all.org/wiki > -- with regards Steve Faulkner Technical Director - TPG Europe Director - Web Accessibility Tools Consortium www.paciellogroup.com | www.wat-c.org Web Accessibility Toolbar - http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html From ecrire at catherine-roy.net Sun Nov 4 14:52:36 2007 From: ecrire at catherine-roy.net (zara) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 17:52:36 -0500 Subject: [html4all] Accessibility Design Principle In-Reply-To: <55687cf80711041047x27c89c49j300e2af9b42c176a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0JR000A277JRH1F0@VL-MH-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> Hi, I think this is indeed really significant and positive and useful. Thank you Stephen for your efforts and thank you to all those who contributed. Catherine -- Catherine Roy www.catherine-roy.net > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces at html4all.org [mailto:list- > bounces at html4all.org] On Behalf Of Steven Faulkner > Sent: November 4, 2007 1:47 PM > To: HTML4All > Subject: Re: [html4all] Accessibility Design > Principle > > Hi Laura, > thanks. > I was not sure if i had helped in a way that other > people would agree > with, but i was pleased > that accessibility got split out from the other > aspects of > universality, and that the first two sentences > of "5.3. Accessibility" are quite explicit: > > "Design features to be accessible to users with > disabilities. Access > by everyone regardless of ability is essential." > > On 04/11/2007, Laura Carlson > wrote: > > In case anyone missed it, quite a lot of progress > was made on IRC [1] > > regarding the Accessibility Design Principle [2]. > > > > Thank you Steve and Anne and others for removing > the "when possible" > > [3] [4] verbiage and making it a principle in its > own right as well as > > splitting up the aspects of universality. > > > > This is a big improvement. Good collaboration too. > > > > Best Regards, > > Laura > > [1] http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/html- > wg/20071102#l-112 > > [2] http://dev.w3.org/html5/html-design- > principles/Overview.html#accessibility > > [3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public- > html/2007Jul/1291.html > > [4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public- > html/2007Jun/0898.html > > -- > > Laura L. Carlson > > > > _______________________________________________ > > List_HTML4all.org mailing list > > http://www.html4all.org/wiki > > > > > -- > with regards > > Steve Faulkner > Technical Director - TPG Europe > Director - Web Accessibility Tools Consortium > > www.paciellogroup.com | www.wat-c.org > Web Accessibility Toolbar - > http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie- > about.html > > _______________________________________________ > List_HTML4all.org mailing list > http://www.html4all.org/wiki > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.21/1109 - > Release Date: 04/11/2007 11:05 AM > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.21/1109 - Release Date: 04/11/2007 11:05 AM From ecrire at catherine-roy.net Sun Nov 4 14:54:20 2007 From: ecrire at catherine-roy.net (zara) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 17:54:20 -0500 Subject: [html4all] Accessibility Design Principle In-Reply-To: <0JR000A277JRH1F0@VL-MH-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> Message-ID: <0JR000G5E7MNQJB0@VL-MH-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> > Thank you Stephen for your efforts and thank you to > all those who contributed. Oops, sorry, I meant "Steven". Catherine > > -----Original Message----- > > From: list-bounces at html4all.org [mailto:list- > > bounces at html4all.org] On Behalf Of Steven Faulkner > > Sent: November 4, 2007 1:47 PM > > To: HTML4All > > Subject: Re: [html4all] Accessibility Design > > Principle > > > > Hi Laura, > > thanks. > > I was not sure if i had helped in a way that other > > people would agree > > with, but i was pleased > > that accessibility got split out from the other > > aspects of > > universality, and that the first two sentences > > of "5.3. Accessibility" are quite explicit: > > > > "Design features to be accessible to users with > > disabilities. Access > > by everyone regardless of ability is essential." > > > > On 04/11/2007, Laura Carlson > > wrote: > > > In case anyone missed it, quite a lot of > progress > > was made on IRC [1] > > > regarding the Accessibility Design Principle [2]. > > > > > > Thank you Steve and Anne and others for removing > > the "when possible" > > > [3] [4] verbiage and making it a principle in its > > own right as well as > > > splitting up the aspects of universality. > > > > > > This is a big improvement. Good collaboration > too. > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > Laura > > > [1] http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/html- > > wg/20071102#l-112 > > > [2] http://dev.w3.org/html5/html-design- > > principles/Overview.html#accessibility > > > [3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public- > > html/2007Jul/1291.html > > > [4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public- > > html/2007Jun/0898.html > > > -- > > > Laura L. Carlson > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > List_HTML4all.org mailing list > > > http://www.html4all.org/wiki > > > > > > > > > -- > > with regards > > > > Steve Faulkner > > Technical Director - TPG Europe > > Director - Web Accessibility Tools Consortium > > > > www.paciellogroup.com | www.wat-c.org > > Web Accessibility Toolbar - > > http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie- > > about.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > > List_HTML4all.org mailing list > > http://www.html4all.org/wiki > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.21/1109 - > > Release Date: 04/11/2007 11:05 AM > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.21/1109 - > Release Date: 04/11/2007 11:05 AM > > > > _______________________________________________ > List_HTML4all.org mailing list > http://www.html4all.org/wiki > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.21/1109 - > Release Date: 04/11/2007 11:05 AM > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.21/1109 - Release Date: 04/11/2007 11:05 AM From chaals at opera.com Sun Nov 4 19:39:37 2007 From: chaals at opera.com (Charles McCathieNevile) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 22:39:37 -0500 Subject: [html4all] phonetic of some word or name In-Reply-To: References: <4722F876.7010308@free.fr> Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:48:10 -0300, Andy Mabbett wrote: > In message , Charles McCathieNevile > writes > >> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:04:12 -0400, Andy Mabbett >> > wrote: > >> In message >> <4722F876.7010308 at free.fr>, >> aurelien.levyatfree.fr@?.?.invalid >> writes >> >>> did you think as me that it can be useful to have a new >> html element to >>> markup phonetic pronunciation of a word or name. >> >> >> [Hello folks: my first post here] >> >> I thank that might (at least in >> the interim) be a good case for a >> microformat. > > I think that is a bad >> idea. There is already markup in HTML that does > this > > Which is..? Ruby. See earlier in the thread for more detail. (Nothing stops you from making another ?format, of course. But I think it would just be fragmenting the problem so you are less likely to get an interoperable solution). cheers Chaals -- Charles McCathieNevile Opera Software, Standards Group je parle fran?ais -- hablo espa?ol -- jeg l?rer norsk http://my.opera.com/chaals Try the Kestrel - Opera 9.5 alpha From faulkner.steve at gmail.com Mon Nov 5 01:12:48 2007 From: faulkner.steve at gmail.com (Steven Faulkner) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:12:48 +0000 Subject: [html4all] Accessibility Design Principle In-Reply-To: <0JR000G5E7MNQJB0@VL-MH-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> References: <0JR000A277JRH1F0@VL-MH-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> <0JR000G5E7MNQJB0@VL-MH-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> Message-ID: <55687cf80711050112m5dfc375s1a4a6621ecf9de58@mail.gmail.com> hi Zara, >Oops, sorry, I meant "Steven". no problem :-) On 04/11/2007, zara wrote: > > Thank you Stephen for your efforts and thank you to > > all those who contributed. > > Oops, sorry, I meant "Steven". > > > Catherine > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: list-bounces at html4all.org [mailto:list- > > > bounces at html4all.org] On Behalf Of Steven Faulkner > > > Sent: November 4, 2007 1:47 PM > > > To: HTML4All > > > Subject: Re: [html4all] Accessibility Design > > > Principle > > > > > > Hi Laura, > > > thanks. > > > I was not sure if i had helped in a way that other > > > people would agree > > > with, but i was pleased > > > that accessibility got split out from the other > > > aspects of > > > universality, and that the first two sentences > > > of "5.3. Accessibility" are quite explicit: > > > > > > "Design features to be accessible to users with > > > disabilities. Access > > > by everyone regardless of ability is essential." > > > > > > On 04/11/2007, Laura Carlson > > > wrote: > > > > In case anyone missed it, quite a lot of > > progress > > > was made on IRC [1] > > > > regarding the Accessibility Design Principle [2]. > > > > > > > > Thank you Steve and Anne and others for removing > > > the "when possible" > > > > [3] [4] verbiage and making it a principle in its > > > own right as well as > > > > splitting up the aspects of universality. > > > > > > > > This is a big improvement. Good collaboration > > too. > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Laura > > > > [1] http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/html- > > > wg/20071102#l-112 > > > > [2] http://dev.w3.org/html5/html-design- > > > principles/Overview.html#accessibility > > > > [3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public- > > > html/2007Jul/1291.html > > > > [4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public- > > > html/2007Jun/0898.html > > > > -- > > > > Laura L. Carlson > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > List_HTML4all.org mailing list > > > > http://www.html4all.org/wiki > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > with regards > > > > > > Steve Faulkner > > > Technical Director - TPG Europe > > > Director - Web Accessibility Tools Consortium > > > > > > www.paciellogroup.com | www.wat-c.org > > > Web Accessibility Toolbar - > > > http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie- > > > about.html > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > List_HTML4all.org mailing list > > > http://www.html4all.org/wiki > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.21/1109 - > > > Release Date: 04/11/2007 11:05 AM > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.21/1109 - > > Release Date: 04/11/2007 11:05 AM > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > List_HTML4all.org mailing list > > http://www.html4all.org/wiki > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.21/1109 - > > Release Date: 04/11/2007 11:05 AM > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.21/1109 - Release Date: 04/11/2007 11:05 AM > > > > _______________________________________________ > List_HTML4all.org mailing list > http://www.html4all.org/wiki > -- with regards Steve Faulkner Technical Director - TPG Europe Director - Web Accessibility Tools Consortium www.paciellogroup.com | www.wat-c.org Web Accessibility Toolbar - http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html From laura.lee.carlson at gmail.com Mon Nov 5 08:51:43 2007 From: laura.lee.carlson at gmail.com (Laura Carlson) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 10:51:43 -0600 Subject: [html4all] HTML5 WG Survey Reminders Message-ID: <1c8dbcaa0711050851n8c0e3au7bea1d1ebcfaaa22@mail.gmail.com> Just a reminder for HTML5 working group members...if you intend to vote on the following surveys please do so before they close on November ninth. Release "HTML Design Principles" as a W3C Working Draft? http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/wdhdp/ Results so far: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/wdhdp/results Release "HTML 5" specification as a W3C Working Draft? http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/wd11spec/ Results so far: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/wd11spec/results Both surveys are open to HTML5 working group members from 2007-11-02 to 2007-11-09. Thanks. Best Regards, Laura -- Laura L. Carlson From oedipus at hicom.net Wed Nov 7 12:12:28 2007 From: oedipus at hicom.net (Gregory J. Rosmaita) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 20:12:28 +0000 Subject: [html4all] request: ARIA Test Results index on html4all wiki Message-ID: <20071107200917.M2761@hicom.net> aloha, all! i know we haven't officially launched (or have we?), but i was wondering if there would be any objections to housing the document currently residing at: http://www.concentric.net/~unagi69/temp/wai/pf/TestsTests.html on the html4all wiki, so that it can be used to co-ordinate testing and bugfixing ARIA sample/example/test pages? currently, the test results are scattered, and collecting them in a single place where they can be referenced and updated as situations warrant, would be of inestimable aid to those working to get ARIA support into user agents and assisstive technologies... i think this effort is especially suited to html4all, and even epitomizes why html4all exists -- please let me (and the list) know if you disagree... gregory. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Egg-heads of the world unite -- you have nothing to lose but your yolks. -- Adalai Stevenson ----------------------------------------------------------------- Gregory J. Rosmaita: oedipus at hicom.net and unagi69 at concentric.net Camera Obscura: http://www.hicom.net/~oedipus/ Oedipus' Online Complex: http://my.opera.com/oedipus ----------------------------------------------------------------- From laura.lee.carlson at gmail.com Wed Nov 7 12:23:54 2007 From: laura.lee.carlson at gmail.com (Laura Carlson) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 14:23:54 -0600 Subject: [html4all] request: ARIA Test Results index on html4all wiki In-Reply-To: <20071107200917.M2761@hicom.net> References: <20071107200917.M2761@hicom.net> Message-ID: <1c8dbcaa0711071223q6214440dp25c3c8323db0f669@mail.gmail.com> Hi Gregory, > i know we haven't officially launched (or have we?), Not yet. We still have some things to do. Check out: http://html4all.org/wiki/index.php/Opening_Preparations Also there should be message in your in-box regarding "Opening Preparations Wiki Page". > but i was wondering > if there would be any objections to housing the document currently > residing at: > > http://www.concentric.net/~unagi69/temp/wai/pf/TestsTests.html Sounds good to me. How are things going at the Technical Plenary [1]. After you catch your breath, it you be great if you (or anyone else there) could give us a rundown on the the HTML5 accessibility stuff. Best Regards, Laura -- Laura L. Carlson From foliot at wats.ca Wed Nov 7 13:11:49 2007 From: foliot at wats.ca (John Foliot) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:11:49 -0800 Subject: [html4all] request: ARIA Test Results index on html4all wiki In-Reply-To: <20071107200917.M2761@hicom.net> Message-ID: <005701c82182$d839a260$8600a8c0@Piglet> Gregory J. Rosmaita wrote: > i was > wondering > if there would be any objections to housing the document > on the html4all wiki, I think it's a great idea, and if you want to spearhead this I for one have no objection at all. JF From faulkner.steve at gmail.com Wed Nov 7 13:33:42 2007 From: faulkner.steve at gmail.com (Steven Faulkner) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 21:33:42 +0000 Subject: [html4all] request: ARIA Test Results index on html4all wiki In-Reply-To: <20071107200917.M2761@hicom.net> References: <20071107200917.M2761@hicom.net> Message-ID: <55687cf80711071333w411eaa2fs4d089feceb9b518b@mail.gmail.com> hi gregory, sounds like a great idea. i have just arrived at the conference, hope to catch up with you. regards steve On 07/11/2007, Gregory J. Rosmaita wrote: > aloha, all! > > i know we haven't officially launched (or have we?), but i was wondering > if there would be any objections to housing the document currently > residing at: > > http://www.concentric.net/~unagi69/temp/wai/pf/TestsTests.html > > on the html4all wiki, so that it can be used to co-ordinate testing and > bugfixing ARIA sample/example/test pages? currently, the test results > are scattered, and collecting them in a single place where they can be > referenced and updated as situations warrant, would be of inestimable > aid to those working to get ARIA support into user agents and assisstive > technologies... > > i think this effort is especially suited to html4all, and even > epitomizes why html4all exists -- please let me (and the list) > know if you disagree... > > gregory. > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Egg-heads of the world unite -- you have nothing to lose but your > yolks. -- Adalai Stevenson > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Gregory J. Rosmaita: oedipus at hicom.net and unagi69 at concentric.net > Camera Obscura: http://www.hicom.net/~oedipus/ > Oedipus' Online Complex: http://my.opera.com/oedipus > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > List_HTML4all.org mailing list > http://www.html4all.org/wiki > -- with regards Steve Faulkner Technical Director - TPG Europe Director - Web Accessibility Tools Consortium www.paciellogroup.com | www.wat-c.org Web Accessibility Toolbar - http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html From Philip-and-LeKhanh at Royal-Tunbridge-Wells.Org Wed Nov 7 13:39:24 2007 From: Philip-and-LeKhanh at Royal-Tunbridge-Wells.Org (Philip TAYLOR) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:39:24 +0000 Subject: [html4all] request: ARIA Test Results index on html4all wiki In-Reply-To: <005701c82182$d839a260$8600a8c0@Piglet> References: <005701c82182$d839a260$8600a8c0@Piglet> Message-ID: <4732308C.6090304@Royal-Tunbridge-Wells.Org> ALso fine by me. ** Phil. -------- John Foliot wrote: > Gregory J. Rosmaita wrote: >> i was >> wondering >> if there would be any objections to housing the document > >> on the html4all wiki, > > I think it's a great idea, and if you want to spearhead this I for one have > no objection at all. > > JF > > > _______________________________________________ > List_HTML4all.org mailing list > http://www.html4all.org/wiki From joshue.oconnor at cfit.ie Wed Nov 7 15:49:46 2007 From: joshue.oconnor at cfit.ie (Joshue O Connor) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 23:49:46 +0000 Subject: [html4all] request: ARIA Test Results index on html4all wiki In-Reply-To: <55687cf80711071333w411eaa2fs4d089feceb9b518b@mail.gmail.com> References: <20071107200917.M2761@hicom.net> <55687cf80711071333w411eaa2fs4d089feceb9b518b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47324F1A.4020108@cfit.ie> > i was wondering >> if there would be any objections to housing the document currently >> residing at: None from myside Gregory. Look forward to meeting you at the W3 gig. Cheers Josh From oedipus at hicom.net Thu Nov 8 06:20:13 2007 From: oedipus at hicom.net (Gregory J. Rosmaita) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:20:13 +0000 Subject: [html4all] request: ARIA Test Results index on html4all wiki In-Reply-To: <1c8dbcaa0711071223q6214440dp25c3c8323db0f669@mail.gmail.com> References: <20071107200917.M2761@hicom.net> <1c8dbcaa0711071223q6214440dp25c3c8323db0f669@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20071108140821.M86642@hicom.net> aloha, laura! thanks for the update -- i didn't actually make it to the tech plenary, due to medical issues, but i've been participating in any and every f2f meeting that offered me a line to phone into or a computer to skype into so that i could be, for example, a fly on the wall during the tuesday morning ARIA issues meeting (and chime in in real time in the IRC portion of the meeting)... i've even managed to attend 3 meetings simultaneously, a trick i could never pull off in person... i'm still waiting for word of how the ARIA demonstrations went (there was one, i believe, at plenary day, and one today for the HTML WG, hence the intense concentration on making sure that the sample pages were coded correctly and tested with as many configurations as possible, work that will continue in the "open" on wai-xtech gregory. -------------------------------------------------------------- You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus. -- Mark Twain -------------------------------------------------------------- Gregory J. Rosmaita: oedipus at hicom.net Camera Obscura: http://www.hicom.net/~oedipus/ Oedipus' Online Complex: http://my.opera.com/oedipus -------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Original Message ----------- From: "Laura Carlson" To: HTML4All Sent: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 14:23:54 -0600 Subject: Re: [html4all] request: ARIA Test Results index on html4all wiki > Hi Gregory, > > > i know we haven't officially launched (or have we?), > > Not yet. We still have some things to do. > > Check out: > http://html4all.org/wiki/index.php/Opening_Preparations > > Also there should be message in your in-box regarding "Opening > Preparations Wiki Page". > > > but i was wondering > > if there would be any objections to housing the document currently > > residing at: > > > > http://www.concentric.net/~unagi69/temp/wai/pf/TestsTests.html > > Sounds good to me. > > How are things going at the Technical Plenary [1]. > > After you catch your breath, it you be great if you (or anyone else > there) could give us a rundown on the the HTML5 accessibility stuff. > > Best Regards, > Laura > -- > Laura L. Carlson > > _______________________________________________ > List_HTML4all.org mailing list > http://www.html4all.org/wiki ------- End of Original Message ------- From joshue.oconnor at cfit.ie Fri Nov 9 07:00:20 2007 From: joshue.oconnor at cfit.ie (Joshue O Connor) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 15:00:20 +0000 Subject: [html4all] request: ARIA Test Results index on html4all wiki In-Reply-To: <20071108140821.M86642@hicom.net> References: <20071107200917.M2761@hicom.net> <1c8dbcaa0711071223q6214440dp25c3c8323db0f669@mail.gmail.com> <20071108140821.M86642@hicom.net> Message-ID: <47347604.6040307@cfit.ie> Hi Gregory, Am very sorry that you couldn't make it to the tech plenary as I was looking forward to meeting you but glad that you were there in spirit, and in a sonic form, and a rather omniscient one by the sounds of it :-) I missed the ARIA session on Tues but the session on Thursday for the HTML WG went very well. Mike gave a demonstration of some ARIA widgets and Aaron gave a talk about ARIA. The group as a whole didn't get a chance to talk about ARIA which I was disappointed by but, for me, the day was saved as we had an impromptu session with several interested people to discuss ARIA later on in the afternoon - which was really interesting and a a great chance to pick Aaron's brains, to which he graciously relented. Cheers Josh From foliot at wats.ca Fri Nov 9 09:10:44 2007 From: foliot at wats.ca (John Foliot) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 09:10:44 -0800 Subject: [html4all] request: ARIA Test Results index on html4all wiki In-Reply-To: <47347604.6040307@cfit.ie> Message-ID: <000a01c822f3$789e3290$f200800a@Piglet> Joshue O Connor wrote: > > I missed the ARIA session on Tues but the session on Thursday for the > HTML WG went very well. Mike gave a demonstration of some ARIA > widgets and Aaron gave a talk about ARIA. The group as a whole didn't > get a chance to talk about ARIA which I was disappointed by but, for > me, the day was saved as we had an impromptu session with several > interested people to discuss ARIA later on in the afternoon - which > was really interesting and a a great chance to pick Aaron's brains, > to which he graciously relented. Hi Josh, I for one hope to get a fuller report upon your return home... Especially any interaction between you and the WHAT GW/HTML5 WG contingent I am currently at a conference in Boulder Colorado - Accessing Higher Ground, and just sat in on a session presented by Jon Gunderson on ARIA... It was very interesting. When time allows we should swap impressions. Cheers! JF From oedipus at hicom.net Fri Nov 9 09:36:24 2007 From: oedipus at hicom.net (Gregory J. Rosmaita) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 17:36:24 +0000 Subject: [html4all] request: ARIA Test Results index on html4all wiki In-Reply-To: <47347604.6040307@cfit.ie> References: <20071107200917.M2761@hicom.net> <1c8dbcaa0711071223q6214440dp25c3c8323db0f669@mail.gmail.com> <20071108140821.M86642@hicom.net> <47347604.6040307@cfit.ie> Message-ID: <20071109172915.M31231@hicom.net> aloha, josh! i too was "looking" forward to meeting you and hanging out outside the parameters of technology -- and, to boot, i forgot to give chaals or doug the CDs i burnt for you when they left for cambridge after stopping in jersey for some sleep and a last ditch effort to get me to boston... i have a very poor quality (audio-wise) AVI file that i asked someone who was there to create using his web-cam, in order to capture the demos -- i want to try and clean it up and compress it further by converting it to an ogg or theora -- is there room on the wiki for a 20 minute file? i could always stick it in ubats.org space -- i think i have the room, and don't want to over-burden the wiki... gregory. -------------------------------------------------------------- I've taken more out of alcohol than alcohol's taken out of me. -- Sir Winston Churchill -------------------------------------------------------------- Gregory J. Rosmaita: oedipus at hicom.net Camera Obscura: http://www.hicom.net/~oedipus/ Oedipus' Online Complex: http://my.opera.com/oedipus/ -------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Original Message ----------- From: Joshue O Connor To: HTML4All Sent: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 15:00:20 +0000 Subject: Re: [html4all] request: ARIA Test Results index on html4all wiki > Hi Gregory, > > Am very sorry that you couldn't make it to the tech plenary as I > was looking forward to meeting you but glad that you were there > in spirit, and in a sonic form, and a rather omniscient one by > the sounds of it :-) > > I missed the ARIA session on Tues but the session on Thursday > for the HTML WG went very well. Mike gave a demonstration of > some ARIA widgets and Aaron gave a talk about ARIA. The group as > a whole didn't get a chance to talk about ARIA which I was > disappointed by but, for me, the day was saved as we had an > impromptu session with several interested people to discuss > ARIA later on in the afternoon - which was really interesting > and a a great chance to pick Aaron's brains, to which he > graciously relented. > > Cheers > > Josh From oedipus at hicom.net Fri Nov 9 09:41:46 2007 From: oedipus at hicom.net (Gregory J. Rosmaita) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 17:41:46 +0000 Subject: [html4all] ARIA Test Results index on html4all wiki (update) In-Reply-To: <20071107200917.M2761@hicom.net> References: <20071107200917.M2761@hicom.net> Message-ID: <20071109173639.M77394@hicom.net> by the way, i have ported the static XHTML 1.0 strict page that resides at: http://www.concentric.net/~unagi69/temp/wai/pf/TestsTests.html to: http://html4all.org/wiki/index.php/ARIATestTests and while i intend to funnel results data back to the mozilla ARIA page, i will not abandon this page, as the mozilla implementation info is in an extremely unnecessary table, and i have received very positive feedback on the same materials in a definition list... testing coordination will occur on wai-xtech at w3.org thanks, gregory. --------------------------------------------------------------- DELIBERATION, n. The act of examining one's bread to determine which side it is buttered on. Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary --------------------------------------------------------------- Gregory J. Rosmaita: oedipus at hicom.net Camera Obscura: http://www.hicom.net/~oedipus/ Oedipus' Online Complex: http://my.opera.com/oedipus/ United Blind Advocates for Talking Signs: http://ubats.org/ --------------------------------------------------------------- From laura.lee.carlson at gmail.com Sat Nov 10 09:00:44 2007 From: laura.lee.carlson at gmail.com (Laura Carlson) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 11:00:44 -0600 Subject: [html4all] ISSUE-14: Integration of WAI-ARIA roles into HTML5 Message-ID: <1c8dbcaa0711100900k6498672dt6f63482500fc9209@mail.gmail.com> f.y.i. ISSUE-14: Integration of WAI-ARIA roles into HTML5 Raised by: Gregory Rosmaita http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/14 Also ARIA was the subject on IRC today: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/html-wg/20071110#l-171 Best Regards, Laura -- Laura L. Carlson From faulkner.steve at gmail.com Sat Nov 10 16:08:51 2007 From: faulkner.steve at gmail.com (Steven Faulkner) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 18:08:51 -0600 Subject: [html4all] notes from the f2f Message-ID: <55687cf80711101608l7e510139o7d6e96835d8235f3@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I was able to attend the HTML working group face to face meeting, which finished up this morning. the nature of the meeting (unconference style) saw people break up into groups to discuss particular subjects. these included ARIA and Data tables. html 5/accessibility related news i picked up from my time here. Seems pretty much like ARIA will be usable with HTML 5, the issues being debated are peripheral. In the ARIA breakout group on thursday the heartening news from a guy from microsoft (can't rememebr his name - josh has minutes of the meet) was that ARIA support is going to be implemented in IE (when unkown), the guy seemed quite unequivocal about it, his statement appeared to catch aaron leventhal by surprise. so fingers crossed. a small group (me. josh and justin thorp (a top guy from the EO WG)) attended ben millards and james grahams breakout group on data tables. It was interesting stuff. ben has done a lot of work on data tables (in the wild) and JGraham has built a cool test thing for showing the associations that are derived using various table algorithms (http://james.html5.org/tables/table_inspector.html). what struck me was that the proposed algorithm(s) do a good job of associating headers and data within complex tables. Also after doing a quick check of both jaws and window eyes, neither appear to implement the HTML 4 algorithm. There was lots of other stuff going on, much of which went over my head, but it was still interesting to watch the dynamics of the various players in the group(s). I made a point of introducing myself to people whom I had interacted with in the working group (irc/email): ian hickson, james graham, majiec, anne, henri, dan etc. The reaction from ranged from friendly to rude, but mostly friendly, i discussed my various people experiences with josh who introduced me to to the term "autism spectrum" and i came to the conclusion that its not worth worrying about those who can't act in a civil manner. But meeting people f2f will help inform my ongoing interactions with them on the WG. Mike smith from the W3c (he is now the html wg technical contact) made a point of introducing himself to me on the first day, he seems like a really nice guy and he was easy to chat to. Found dan conolly generally unfriendly and dismissive, which was suprising, but from observing his behaviour over the time of the conference, i didn't take it personally as he appeared generally dismissive of anyone that he didn't rate. A bright spot was that Anne and Ian hickson were both very personable. -- with regards Steve F From laura.lee.carlson at gmail.com Sat Nov 10 18:05:30 2007 From: laura.lee.carlson at gmail.com (Laura Carlson) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 20:05:30 -0600 Subject: [html4all] notes from the f2f In-Reply-To: <55687cf80711101608l7e510139o7d6e96835d8235f3@mail.gmail.com> References: <55687cf80711101608l7e510139o7d6e96835d8235f3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1c8dbcaa0711101805j573922c8p769662510408b678@mail.gmail.com> Hi Steve, Thanks you so very much for the for the report. The ARIA news and the the proposed algorithm(s) for associating headers and data within complex tables sounds very promising. It is good news indeed! Have a safe trip home. Best Regards, Laura -- Laura L. Carlson From laura.lee.carlson at gmail.com Sat Nov 10 18:15:30 2007 From: laura.lee.carlson at gmail.com (Laura Carlson) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 20:15:30 -0600 Subject: [html4all] Articles: New Organizations and Wiki Collaboration Message-ID: <1c8dbcaa0711101815l75f1aa4cv70f88ddf54fa9a29@mail.gmail.com> For your information, a couple of articles on new organizations and Wiki collaboration: In a recent post regarding a new web standards Facegroup group, Jeffery Zeldman made the following observation, "I am curious whether the new group will become a passive affinity group or something more. By passive affinity group, I mean the kind of group people join to show they belong - and then don't do much, if anything, once they've joined. For instance, hundreds of thousands of people joined a Facebook group in support of the monks' protest in Burma. Everyone who joined supports free speech and democracy, but only a tiny handful of group members create content or begin initiatives. For the few who are active, membership in the Burmese monk support group is an act of political and spiritual engagement. But for most members, it's passive. This is true of all social groups (online and off) and nearly all human activities..." http://www.zeldman.com/2007/11/02/dwws-facebook-group/ Also an article by Maish Nichani, Planning and Sustaining Wiki-based Collaboration: "Many organizations are experimenting with wiki-based collaboration projects. But only a small percentage of these projects make it past the initial excitement or pilot phase. One of the reasons for the drop-off is that there's not enough thought given to them other than deciding which wiki product to install. This article presents a framework that can help groups wanting to use wikis for internal projects better plan and sustain their collaboration efforts..." http://tinyurl.com/yt7yor -- Laura L. Carlson From joshue.oconnor at cfit.ie Mon Nov 12 06:38:16 2007 From: joshue.oconnor at cfit.ie (Joshue O Connor) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:38:16 +0000 Subject: [html4all] notes from the f2f In-Reply-To: <55687cf80711101608l7e510139o7d6e96835d8235f3@mail.gmail.com> References: <55687cf80711101608l7e510139o7d6e96835d8235f3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47386558.8090602@cfit.ie> Hi All, As Steve mentioned the conference was an interesting opportunity to see how the various players interact and was a total eye opener. However, the "un-conference" style of the meeting left a lot to be desired, especially after traveling half way around the planet to get there. I would have liked more "conference" and less "un". I guess that means I am a traditionalist or uptight or something, well so be it. The guitars and singsongs were not necessary and the whole thing was made even worse when juxtaposed with - to be frank - the rather bullish manner that Dan C oversaw the whole thing. It seemed to me to be all "I'd like to by the world a Coke" one minute but if you spoke out of line the soundtrack quickly changed to something about guns and they were pointed at you. This is obviously an analogy but just to be clear. While they all obviously saw themselves as kind of kooky and fun loving non-conformists, I just saw a Bob Roberts nightmare. [1] [2] To be frank it wasn't even the guitars, which on one level would have been great, if I was drunk but it was 11am. This bullishness, was a real surprise as Dan is a good moderator in the list, reasonably asking people to provide evidence and research for their positions/stance/suggestions. Also when during the ARIA meeting Rich mentioned Freedom Scientific and Dans response was 'Freedom who?" I got an insight into where accessibility seems to be in the food chain. In fact if you "spoke" at all, it had to be via IRC which I had problems getting to work. I don't know why they even had a F2F as the IRC was where most of the real dialogue seemed to me to take place anyway. IMO as soon as there is a biological IRC interface the W3C will happily move to a more matrix style domain. The whole experience - to be frank - left me feeling strangely nullified and I have seriously considered leaving the group as my energies could certainly be better directed elsewhere. There are also others in the group who are very knowledgeable about accessibility and the needs of people with disabilities, our Steve F and Chaals, Gregory. I knew beforehand that I was a small cog but now I am even wondering about the value of small cog status and I feel like just getting on with my own thing and leaving all of this spec trashing to those who are taken seriously, or who have power in the group. That's one level. On a personal level, it was a great chance to meet some people and I had a laugh with Steve and we had a really nice meal one eve with Shawn Henry, Ben and Justin, in a great Afghani restaurant. I didn't think Afghanis did vegetarian food and was expecting lamb with bullets, but was very pleasantly surprised. Also getting to chat with Aaron about ARIA in a small group during the breakout was great. > Seems pretty much like ARIA will be usable with HTML 5, the issues > being debated are peripheral. Some of the issues. [3] [4] >> a small group (me. josh and justin thorp (a top guy from the EO WG)) >> attended ben millards and james grahams breakout group on data tables. >> It was interesting stuff. It was. What Ben and James are suggesting is a way of combining algorithms to ensure a combination of data table layouts etc can be presented to the user when mark up is missing or badly applied. Ben has put a huge amount of research and energy into this area and James' testing tool is really useful to measure the efficiency of various algorithms so I also recommend people to keep an eye on this issue and their work. Also I have to say thanks to Ian Hickson who was very personable and thanked me for my contribution to the group and also Michael Smith who made the effort to introduce himself and also made me feel welcome. The funny thing is that I felt more a part of the HTML5 WG *before* the meeting but realise now that this was because this interaction was taking place via an artificial medium. The F2F has made me question the value of my involvement and shattered an illusion. This is actually good. I talked this over with Steve and after some more thought, decided to stay but I will be far more discerning of my input into the group. Josh [1] http://www.flickr.com/photos/kplawver/1934607835/in/photostream/ [2] http://www.flickr.com/photos/kplawver/1934611155/in/photostream/ [3] http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/ARIAIntegration [4] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/14 From faulkner.steve at gmail.com Tue Nov 13 01:04:13 2007 From: faulkner.steve at gmail.com (Steven Faulkner) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:04:13 +0000 Subject: [html4all] IRC snippet on ARIA Message-ID: <55687cf80711130104o3ce1563et29275691c5b52bf9@mail.gmail.com> from the IRC yesterday: anne: was an official decision reached on aria- ? for html? the HTML WG doesn't do such things during F2F meetings I believe nobody is against it though (that became clear during the meeting) (http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/html-wg/20071112) -- with regards Steve Faulkner Technical Director - TPG Europe Director - Web Accessibility Tools Consortium www.paciellogroup.com | www.wat-c.org Web Accessibility Toolbar - http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html From joshue.oconnor at ncbi.ie Wed Nov 14 05:32:07 2007 From: joshue.oconnor at ncbi.ie (Joshue O Connor) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:32:07 +0000 Subject: [html4all] AxsAJAX Message-ID: <473AF8D7.2080302@ncbi.ie> Google are releasing their own AJAX framework. [1] Theres also an FAQ. [2] Thoughts? [1] http://google-code-updates.blogspot.com/2007/11/introducing-axsjax-access-enabling-ajax.html [2] http://code.google.com/p/google-axsjax ******************************************************************** NOTICE: The information contained in this email and any attachments is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient you should not use, disclose, distribute or copy any of the content of it or of any attachment; you are requested to notify the sender immediately of your receipt of the email and then to delete it and any attachments from your system. NCBI endeavours to ensure that emails and any attachments generated by its staff are free from viruses or other contaminants. However, it cannot accept any responsibility for any such which are transmitted. We therefore recommend you scan all attachments. Please note that the statements and views expressed in this email and any attachments are those of the author and do not necessarily represent the views of NCBI ******************************************************************** From faulkner.steve at gmail.com Thu Nov 15 00:25:12 2007 From: faulkner.steve at gmail.com (Steven Faulkner) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 08:25:12 +0000 Subject: [html4all] AxsAJAX In-Reply-To: <473AF8D7.2080302@ncbi.ie> References: <473AF8D7.2080302@ncbi.ie> Message-ID: <55687cf80711150025u2416a99cm35d4c91a6a040977@mail.gmail.com> I am trying to work out what it does... On 14/11/2007, Joshue O Connor wrote: > Google are releasing their own AJAX framework. [1] > > Theres also an FAQ. [2] > > Thoughts? > > [1] > http://google-code-updates.blogspot.com/2007/11/introducing-axsjax-access-enabling-ajax.html > [2] http://code.google.com/p/google-axsjax > > ******************************************************************** > > NOTICE: The information contained in this email and any attachments > is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended > recipient you should not use, disclose, distribute or copy any of > the content of it or of any attachment; you are requested to notify > the sender immediately of your receipt of the email and then to > delete it and any attachments from your system. > > NCBI endeavours to ensure that emails and any attachments generated > by its staff are free from viruses or other contaminants. However, > it cannot accept any responsibility for any such which are > transmitted. We therefore recommend you scan all attachments. > > Please note that the statements and views expressed in this email > and any attachments are those of the author and do not necessarily > represent the views of NCBI > > > ******************************************************************** > > > > > _______________________________________________ > List_HTML4all.org mailing list > http://www.html4all.org/wiki > -- with regards Steve Faulkner Technical Director - TPG Europe Director - Web Accessibility Tools Consortium www.paciellogroup.com | www.wat-c.org Web Accessibility Toolbar - http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html From joshue.oconnor at cfit.ie Thu Nov 15 00:57:35 2007 From: joshue.oconnor at cfit.ie (Joshue O Connor) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 08:57:35 +0000 Subject: [html4all] AxsAJAX In-Reply-To: <55687cf80711150025u2416a99cm35d4c91a6a040977@mail.gmail.com> References: <473AF8D7.2080302@ncbi.ie> <55687cf80711150025u2416a99cm35d4c91a6a040977@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <473C09FF.5040709@cfit.ie> Are they proprietary APIs? Steven Faulkner wrote: > I am trying to work out what it does... > > On 14/11/2007, Joshue O Connor wrote: >> Google are releasing their own AJAX framework. [1] >> >> Theres also an FAQ. [2] >> >> Thoughts? >> >> [1] >> http://google-code-updates.blogspot.com/2007/11/introducing-axsjax-access-enabling-ajax.html >> [2] http://code.google.com/p/google-axsjax >> >> ******************************************************************** >> >> NOTICE: The information contained in this email and any attachments >> is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended >> recipient you should not use, disclose, distribute or copy any of >> the content of it or of any attachment; you are requested to notify >> the sender immediately of your receipt of the email and then to >> delete it and any attachments from your system. >> >> NCBI endeavours to ensure that emails and any attachments generated >> by its staff are free from viruses or other contaminants. However, >> it cannot accept any responsibility for any such which are >> transmitted. We therefore recommend you scan all attachments. >> >> Please note that the statements and views expressed in this email >> and any attachments are those of the author and do not necessarily >> represent the views of NCBI >> >> >> ******************************************************************** >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> List_HTML4all.org mailing list >> http://www.html4all.org/wiki >> > > From gez.lemon at gmail.com Thu Nov 15 01:32:34 2007 From: gez.lemon at gmail.com (Gez Lemon) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:32:34 +0000 Subject: [html4all] AxsAJAX In-Reply-To: <55687cf80711150025u2416a99cm35d4c91a6a040977@mail.gmail.com> References: <473AF8D7.2080302@ncbi.ie> <55687cf80711150025u2416a99cm35d4c91a6a040977@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Steve, > I am trying to work out what [AxsJAX] does... It injects ARIA properties into web applications based on design patterns. A user would either have it set as a bookmarklet and activate it themselves to enhance the accessibility of a Web 2.0 application, or as a GreaseMonkey script so that it's activated automatically. The enhancements are based around ARIA live regions, which has little support in AT at the moment, but works with Fire Vox. According to the documentation, the applications it enhances at the moment are Google Reader and Google Search. Cheers, Gez -- _____________________________ Supplement your vitamins http://juicystudio.com From laura.lee.carlson at gmail.com Thu Nov 15 01:35:49 2007 From: laura.lee.carlson at gmail.com (Laura Carlson) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 03:35:49 -0600 Subject: [html4all] xtech discussion on alt Attribute Message-ID: <1c8dbcaa0711150135h78298334x30a33e11847ecf3@mail.gmail.com> Al Gilman is beginning discussion on our "Request for PFWG WAI review of Omitting alt Attribute for Critical Content" at: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2007Nov/0012.html Best Regards, Laura -- Laura L. Carlson From faulkner.steve at gmail.com Thu Nov 15 01:41:15 2007 From: faulkner.steve at gmail.com (Steven Faulkner) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:41:15 +0000 Subject: [html4all] xtech discussion on alt Attribute In-Reply-To: <1c8dbcaa0711150135h78298334x30a33e11847ecf3@mail.gmail.com> References: <1c8dbcaa0711150135h78298334x30a33e11847ecf3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <55687cf80711150141m6934e9f2ha9243a0cf6c46707@mail.gmail.com> hi laura, yes, i noticed this, found it difficult to understand what he was on about, but it was early this morning when i read it. Will try again and see if i can make more sense of it. On 15/11/2007, Laura Carlson wrote: > Al Gilman is beginning discussion on our "Request for PFWG WAI review > of Omitting alt Attribute for Critical Content" at: > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2007Nov/0012.html > > Best Regards, > Laura > -- > Laura L. Carlson > > _______________________________________________ > List_HTML4all.org mailing list > http://www.html4all.org/wiki > -- with regards Steve Faulkner Technical Director - TPG Europe Director - Web Accessibility Tools Consortium www.paciellogroup.com | www.wat-c.org Web Accessibility Toolbar - http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html From laura.lee.carlson at gmail.com Fri Nov 16 09:26:52 2007 From: laura.lee.carlson at gmail.com (Laura Carlson) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:26:52 -0600 Subject: [html4all] Discussion: "Accept requirement for immediate mode graphics a la canvas element" Message-ID: <1c8dbcaa0711160926l5a6d766dj2e91d408c313473f@mail.gmail.com> I'm trying to get my head around this issue: "Accept requirement for immediate mode graphics a la canvas element" http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/15 Thoughts on the accessibility implications? Results so far on the HTML5 Working Group survey are at: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/req-gapi-canvas/results Relate Reference: http://www.w3.org/2007/11/10-html-wg-minutes.html#item04 Thanks. Best Regards, Laura -- Laura L. Carlson From chaals at opera.com Mon Nov 19 02:29:39 2007 From: chaals at opera.com (Charles McCathieNevile) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:29:39 +0100 Subject: [html4all] Discussion: "Accept requirement for immediate mode graphics a la canvas element" In-Reply-To: <1c8dbcaa0711160926l5a6d766dj2e91d408c313473f@mail.gmail.com> References: <1c8dbcaa0711160926l5a6d766dj2e91d408c313473f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:26:52 +0100, Laura Carlson wrote: > I'm trying to get my head around this issue: > "Accept requirement for immediate mode graphics a la canvas element" > http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/15 > > Thoughts on the accessibility implications? Canvas absolutey requires fallback content - it has pretty uch zero inherent accessibility :( One thing that could be interesting is to allow image m aps to be used on a canvas (they are currently not) giving an ability to define hotspots that have at least an alt and title, and can also be used with an acceskey etc. Given that canvas is ideal for games, as well as trivial decorative stuff, this bears lookng at. cheers Chaals -- Charles McCathieNevile Opera Software, Standards Group je parle fran?ais -- hablo espa?ol -- jeg l?rer norsk http://my.opera.com/chaals Try the Kestrel - Opera 9.5 alpha From P.Taylor at Rhul.Ac.Uk Tue Nov 20 14:12:32 2007 From: P.Taylor at Rhul.Ac.Uk (Philip Taylor (Webmaster)) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:12:32 +0000 Subject: [html4all] Discussion: "Accept requirement for immediate mode graphics a la canvas element" In-Reply-To: <1c8dbcaa0711160926l5a6d766dj2e91d408c313473f@mail.gmail.com> References: <1c8dbcaa0711160926l5a6d766dj2e91d408c313473f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47435BD0.2040906@Rhul.Ac.Uk> Laura wrote : > I'm trying to get my head around this issue: > "Accept requirement for immediate mode graphics a la canvas element" > http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/15 > > Thoughts on the accessibility implications?